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Article FS08/sep1
MYTHS ABOUT WESTERN, INDIAN AND CHINESE ASTROLOGY SYSTEMS:
Scientific research evidence shows they are the same system!

Prof. Dr. Ong Hean-Tatt 8th September 2008



The Great Myths

Practitioners should wake up to serious flaws in the dating methods in Chinese astrology. This article exposes a great myth which caused serious deterioration in Chinese astrology through the centuries.

Part of the myths is that Western and Chinese practitioners had over and over again claimed, misleadingly, that, despite some similarities, the Western astrology and Chinese astrology are different unrelated systems.

You are being bluffed about dating methods!

This is despite that the Chinese Zi Wei Purple Star astrology uses a 12 houses 12 Zodiac format similar to that of the 12 Zodiac formats of Hindu horary horoscope and also Western horoscope. There are also similar truine affinities and clashes concepts in the 12 signs. Beyond the 12 houses formats Western and Chinese practitioners are stumped about further clues of any other relationships between the two systems. They make all sorts of misleading statements like:

  • Western and Chinese astrology are based on different cosmologies, primary archetypes, and symbols What has evolved in the Western cultural tradition has nothing in common with the Chinese cultural tradition.

  • Another commonly held misconception is that direct correlations may be made between Chinese animal signs and Western Sun signs...

  • What you will find is that some of the signs are much more similar than others. For example, the Chinese Zodiac sign Pig is actually quite diffent than it's Western counterpart Scorpio.

  • the Chinese Zi Wei Do Shu system deals with mathematical abstractions called stars, and the Western system deals with actual planets and asteroids.

  • Unlike the Western or Indian zodiacs, the Chinese zodiac signs are not derived from constellations, and are not assigned to sections of the ecliptic

  • As the ancient Chinese observed the heavens, they mapped it with a completely different grid than that imposed by their colleagues in the Mediterranean Basin and formed a very different astrology. Most Westerners have come across this very different astrology in the designation of each year with the name of an animal, a regularly used theme in Chinese pop art... Unlike Vedic astrology, the Chinese system is too different for the dominant astrology of the West that has been in a significant growth phase.

  • Unlike various western schools of thought, Chinese astrology does not bother about the planetary movements and position of celestial bodies to make prescient remarks and predictions. It studies the resources present in the earthly environment and establishes the interconnectivity between man and nature.

All these statements above are nonsense! There is now new scientific oriented research beginning to show that the Western and Chinese astrological systems are essentially the same system. Not only that, they are also essentially the same system as the Hindu horary astrology!

Those who say that the Western and Chinese astrology systems are not related have been trapped in a box, swallowing false notions passed down generation after generation. They do not have the skills to unravel the ancient mystery of the common origins of all the astrologica systems and are thus caught in a Great Myth!

  • We are going to look at some astonishing evidence that the Western, Chinese and Hindu astrology systems are related.
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Hindu Astrologers in Sui Dynasty and Tang Dynasty Courts

For some time, Chinese practitioners are aware that the Zi Wei Purple Star astrology uses a 12 houses chart which appears similar to that of the Hindu horary astrology. However, the Hindu horary astrology will check the actual positions of the various planets in the sky, while the Chinese system uses a number system, whose connections to planets have long been lost. The Chinese Zi Wei and also Ba Zi astrology use a number formulae system to make the forecasts.

Analysts have claimed that the Hindu system was modified into a formulae system by the Tibetans and then brought into China. The Chinese got a number formula system without comprehending how they are related to actual planetary movements.

  • Hence, the Zi Wei Purple Star astrology practitioners like to claim that their star systems are "imaginery stars" without any real astronomical reality. What a mess!
    But, no Hindu and Western astrologers will dare to say that their signs are not related to actual planetary movements. The Zi Wei Purple Star astrology practitioners merely betray that they have become ignorant of the real astronomical roots of their astrology!

In the annals of the Sui dynasty, numerous Chinese translations of Indian mathematical and astronomical works are mentioned, such as Po-lo-men Suan fa (The Hindu Arithmetical rules) and Po-lo-men Suan King. These works have vanished, and it is impossible to assess the degree of their influence on Chinese sciences. However, there is definite evidence of Indian influence on Chinese astronomy and calendar studies during the T'ang dynasty. During this period, Indian astronomers were working at the Imperial Bureau of Astronomy which was charged with preparing accurate calendars. Yang Ching-fang, a pupil of Amoghavajra (Pu-k'ung), wrote in 764 that those who wished to know the positions of the five planets and predict what Hsiu (heavenly mansion) a planet would be traversing, should adopt the Indian calendrical methods. Five years earlier, Amoghavajra had translated an Indian astrological work, the Hsiu Yao Ching (Hsiu and Planet Sutra), into Chinese.

  • Ba Zi was supposed to be originated by the scholar Li Hsu-chung, an imperial censor of the Tang Dynasty (A.D 618-907) (Dore 1917 p.322). Su Tze-ping in the Five Dynasties or Sung Dynasty (A.D 960-1279) practised it. This ancient art is supposed to be based on the I-Ching used for fortune telling. His method involves the 10 Celestial Stems, 12 Terrestrial Branches and the Five Elements.

  • Tzu Wei, Purple Star. It was first recorded by the master astrologer Ch'en T'u Nan (Ch'an Tze Yee), during the Sung Dynasty (960-1280 AD). However, it was supposed to date from the Tang Dynasty (618-907 AD). In contrast to Ba Zi, Tzu Wei uses the lunar solar calendar to characterise the Four Pillars and analyse the dates.


It is evident that the Tang Ba Zi and the Sung Zi Wei astrology systems had significant Hindu influence! Only, the Chinese had lost sight of the planetary relations






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Need to Correct for Precession of the Equinoxes

If the Hindu astrology had given rise to the Chinese Ba Zi and Zi Wei systems, there should have been good correspondence, e.g. between their Zodiac signs. However, there is a need to recognise one important factor which is the cause of the eventual discrepancies between Hindu and Chinese astrology. This factor is the precession of the equinoxes.

In a previous article , it has been shown that the Earth undergoes what is known as the precession of the equinoxes. This causes the Earth rotational axis to wobble through the 12 Zodiac signs once every 25,800 years, or approximately 1 Zodiac sign every 2,000 years. When the Earth returns to the same orbital point around the Sun, the seasons will arrive faster and faster. The original Chinese New Year used to be in winter, but now it is in Spring. Thus, the ancient astrological systems used to correct one Zodiac sign for every 2,000 years.

The Hindus are well known for their adjustments of their astrological systems for the change of one sign for every 2,000 years due to this precession of the equinoxes.

The ancient Chinese records show that there were historical changes where the signs for the beginning of the year were changed from Zi to Chou and then Chou to Yin from the Shang dynasty down to the Han dynasty. The last change was during the Han dynasty. It is already 2,000 years since the end of the Han dynasty and the modern Chinese new Year is still Yin the Tiger. There is a need to shift the current Chinese Zodiac signs by one sign!

The Chinese Zodiac signs need to be shfted ahead. That is, what is called the Rat Year should be the Ox year, and so on. This can now be scientifically proven as explained below.

Once we recognise that the Chinese signs have to shift according to the precession of the equinoxes, we can unravel some astounding facts about the mysteries surrounding Chinese astrology.

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Comparision between Western, Hindu and Chinese Astrological Systems

While Western and Hindu Zodiacs signs are admitted to have significant similarities and hence correspondence, the same is often said not to be true for the Chinese Zodiac signs which are believed to be a different unrelated system. This is a great wrong myth which betrays the lack of depth in research.

Examine carefully the charts below showing the different Western, Hindu and Chinese Zodiac systems. estern and Hindu systems have the same constellations, while the corresponding Chinese Zodiac signs are placed at right.

The Western Zodiac

Constellation Chinese - Character - Body organs
Sagittarius Rat - growth, expansion moral, prophecy liver
Capricorn Ox - achievement justice bones, skin
Aquarius Tiger - intuitive, rebellious individual nerves
Pisces Rabbit - - art, music lymph fluids
Aries Dragon - passion, desires fighter muscles
Taurus Snake - sensous, creative social kidney, throat
Gemini Horse - intellect communicate nerve, ear, mouth
Cancer Goat - feminine instincts change body fluids
Leo Monkey - male, self authority heart system
Virgo Rooster - intellect communicate, healing nerve, ear, mouth
Libra Dog - sensous, creative social kidney, throat
Scorpio Pig - aggressive destruction sex, excretory

The Hindu Horary Zodiac

Constellation Chinese - Character - Body organs
Sagittarius Rat - science, learning virtue well built
Capricorn Ox - fame, honour, quality authority dynamic
Aquarius Tiger - income, profit, trade wealth restless
Pisces Rabbit - secrets, spy intrigues wavering
Aries Dragon - physical strength, old age arrogance well built
Taurus Snake - food, eating self willed speech
Gemini Horse - travel restive legs
Cancer Goat - properties, water bodies status restless
Leo Monkey - emotions, love morals well built
Virgo Rooster - robbery, evil deeds energetic diseases
Libra Dog - marriage, amorous cheerful sensous
Scorpio Pig - accidents, laws revengful affliction

Relations between Hindu Horary Astrololgy and Western Zodiac = 11 out of 12


The Chinese Zodiac

Constellation Chinese - Character - Body organs
Sagittarius Rat - insight, history, writer, full of ideas wealth, prosperity -
Capricorn Ox - longevity, industrious, loner music, visual art rugged
Aquarius Tiger - protect child, anti-demon, command science, planning, design -
Pisces Rabbit - wise opportunities, prudent general, art, design good memory
Aries Dragon - emperor, good augury, talented job hopper, fighter -
Taurus Snake - philosophy, astrology wealth good physique
Gemini Horse - masculine strength, change unusual job, travel -
Cancer Goat - social success, distinguish travel -
Leo Monkey - intelligent, inventive, dishonest resourceful, diplomatic -
Virgo Rooster - anti-demon, intelligent self employed, showy good physique, memory
Libra Dog - loyal, sure, wise useful worker, fighter -
Scorpio Pig - ease, happy augury wealth -


Relations between Western Zodiac and Chinese Zodiac = 3 out of 12

Relations between Hindu Horary & Jyotish Astrololgy and Chinese Zodiac = 2 out of 12, 4 out of 12


A comparison between the Western and Hindu Zodiac signs show that there are 11 out orf 12 correspondence between the Western and Hindu signs. The odd sign is Pisces. This confirms the current views that Western and Hindu astrology have great correspondence.

If the Western or Hindu Zodiac signs are compared to those of the Chinese astrology, there are direct poor correspondence of 2 or 3 out of 12. Thus, superficially it does seem true that the Chinese astrology has no significant correspondence with those of the Western and Hindu systems. However, this is a very misleading perception!


The astrological systems of the ancient cultures were from the same origins and even today are still the same systems. Only, modern astrologers, not having the skills to find out, wrongly believe they are different.


The founding Tang emperor Taizong attempted to correct Chinese astrology. But his efforts were drowned in subsequent deviations.






O my goodness they are the same!

Statistical Evidence that Western, Hindu and Chinese Zodiac signs are the same!

In the uncorrected Chinese Zodiac system, the Western or Hindu Sagittarius will equate with the Chinese Rat. But, owing to the precession of the equinoxes, what is Rat should be Ox. If the signs are adjusted for the precession of the equinoxes, the Western or Hindu Sagittarius will correspond to the Chinese Ox, not Rat.

Once this adjustment is made, there is a startling change in the correspondence between the Western or Hindu astrological Zodiac with those of the Chinese system!

Instead of the previous 3 out of 12 correspondence, the adjusted Chinese Zodiac signs will show a complete 12 out of 12 correspondence between the Western and Chinese astrology Zodiac signs!

The correspondence between the Hindu system and the Chinese system will improve from 2 to 9 out of 12!

Hence, the astonishing Truth is that the Western, Hindu and Chinese Zodiac signs are all the same! They involve similar planetary and stars movements.



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Implications for Chinese Astrology

There is no doubt that the Chinese animal Zodiac signs actually have equivalents to the planets and stars! Thus, the influence of the Chinese Zodiac signs are due to astronomical movements, as is what is believed in Western and Hindu astrology. It is just that the modern Chinese astrologers have lost the original knowledge of how the Ba Zi and Zi Wei signs relate to astronomical bodies and movements. Subsequently, there had been serious deteriorations, especially in the dating methods.

The precession of the equinoxes should have warned the Chinese astrologers that something is wrong with their current dating in astrology. Certain Western analysts had noted that the modern Chinese seem well unaware of the precession of the equinoxes. It is not so much that the modern Chinese are not aware of the precession, but that they do not know how to correct their Chinese system, as the Chinese systems no longer use the planets and stars but numbers formulae. Not knowing how the Chinese Zodiac signs correspond to the original planets, how can these people hope to adjust their Chinese astrological systems correctly?

All the Chinese astrological systems and even Feng Shui systems using dating have made this cardinal error of unadjusted Zodiac signs. The practitioners of Ba Zi, Zi Wei, Xuan Kong and others like Qi Men Dun Jia like to pretend how accurate their systems are; but the truth is that all of them are using the wrong dating signs!

The ancient astrological systems are all fundamentally the same, even up to now!



More Research Required

This is a most startling article. However, more research will be required to correct the mess Chinese astrology is in. It is a complicated task, but it can be done.

In our courses, we have requested students to adjust their complex Ba Zi charts for the adjusted Zodiac signs. It has been found that, in half the cases, there will be little difference between unadjusted and adjusted horoscopes. But, in the other half, the adjusted Zodiac signs gave much more significantly correct readings.

If the simple Chinese Zodiac signs are used, it is found that 80% of the cases require a shift of one year.

Join us in learning and researching the new scientifically adjusted Chinese astrology! We have found out a number of startling scientific based facts which can help restore the original astronomical basis of Chinese astrology:

  • Astronomical basis of the 20 years Yun period
  • Planetary systems giving rise to the 10 years Luck Pillars in both Ba Zi and Zi Wei astrology
  • Why the 10 years Luck Pillars have a forward and also backward sequence
  • Planetary equivalents of the Chinese animal signs
  • Astronomical basis of tiangan alternative Yin Yang signs and its 10 years signs.
  • Astronomical basis of the 12 dizhi signs for years and also months
  • Astronomical basis of the Yin Yang and Five Elements
  • Astronomical basis of the truine relationships among Zodiac signs.

Do not be fooled anymore by the modern erratic Chinese astrological systems!

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